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Walking Dead- Hmm, are they trying to set up an "out" to make things more palatable? So Negan sends Simon to get the Junkyard people in line. Negan wants him to just kill one to send a message. Now, they just got Maggie's package saying they have a bunch of prisoners, which Simon recognizes are from the Satellite station, so they're his people. He's pretty pissed, thinking Negan is going a little soft, if Simon had his druthers, they'd just wipe out their enemies and find new communities to "save".
Which angers Negsn, because even though he's an a-hole who does effed up shit in the name of "saving" people, at the end of the day his goal is to keep people in line. He's just very fascist about it. So Simon reluctantly goes to send a message, and it goes bad, he ends up just getting pissed off and killing everyone but Jadis.
Rick and Michonne come upon her soon after, getting trapped in the junkyard with the dead junkyard people, and she's so shaken she doesn't even talk dumb anymore. She asks for their help getting out, but Rick refuses. I mean, I get she keeps betraying them, but this is different. Like he tries to justify it later all, "I saw her get away, she's fine!" to Michonne, but as she says, this is what Carl's talking about, they have to be different.
Enid put it succinctly at Oceanside- yes, she killed the old lady to save Aaron, and she'd do it again in a heartbeat. Granny forced her hand, but she couldn't let her just kill Aaron. So she tells them, just let them go. They can execute her and Aaron, but not only do they have to live with just having killed a person, what does it accomplish in the end? Her people come looking for her and Aaron, maybe the Oceansiders kill them too, but eventually, they'll get wiped out.
(As an aside, this is what I was talking about an "out", are they going to try and make Negan seem not so bad by laying some of these heinous acts at someone like Simon's feet? All Negan said to do this, and his lieutenants went too far unbeknown to him! Like will we find out it was Simon's decision to kill all the men, not Negan?)
So they're freed, but Aaron stays behind, because he thinks he convince the ones who want to fight, to fight. So Enid's going back to the hilltop. Man, she doesn't even know Carl's dead!
Anyways, yeah, back to Rick and Michonne. After she's all, this isn't what Carl wants, Rick reads the letter Carl wrote to Negan. And in them, he's asking both his father and Negan to stop. So Rick calls Negan to tell him Carl is dead. And for what its worth, Negan does feel bad. Indeed, earlier he was saying Carl was the future. At first he's worried he got killed in the attack, but Rick says it was just a random biting, so Negan tells Rick its his fault, because of their little war, Rick wasn't around to stop his son from doing something stupid.
But yeah, Rick is all, "My son says we should make peace, but fuck that, I'm going to kill you!" Which even Negan is appalled at. I mean, I'm definitely not pro-Negan, he goes to far, and I don't believe being brutal to keep everyone in line to keep them safe is the best strategy. But fighting fire with fire is not the way to end things. Like you could say, Negan is scum, it will all end when we just kill him and the other bad guys.
But like Enid was saying earlier, where does it end? Who's complicit? You execute these guys who did this, what about their loved ones who are all, "they had no choice!" or "they were bad, but not Negan-bad!" and want their justice!
And yes, things were brutal under Negan's regime, but some of those people in the Savior's compound were prolly just normal people trying to live, and while they were bullied and brutalized by Negan's rule, the alliance have been pretty ruthless in their attacks. Now, from our perspective, the alliance is trying to help their people, and I'm sure want to "save" the non-jerk people amongst the Saviors. But to them, especially the non-soldiers, the alliance can be pretty scary. I mean, locking them in, surrounded by zombies, sniping anyone who sticks their head out? Then thanks to stupid Daryl and Tara, blowing open a hole in their compound and letting the hordes in?
Rick and company are ostensibly the good guys, but remember, they don't always seem like that. Not to the Saviors, not even to Oceanside really. And I'm sure to Jadis, Rick's a hypocrite now!
Walking Dead- Hmm, are they trying to set up an "out" to make things more palatable? So Negan sends Simon to get the Junkyard people in line. Negan wants him to just kill one to send a message. Now, they just got Maggie's package saying they have a bunch of prisoners, which Simon recognizes are from the Satellite station, so they're his people. He's pretty pissed, thinking Negan is going a little soft, if Simon had his druthers, they'd just wipe out their enemies and find new communities to "save".
Which angers Negsn, because even though he's an a-hole who does effed up shit in the name of "saving" people, at the end of the day his goal is to keep people in line. He's just very fascist about it. So Simon reluctantly goes to send a message, and it goes bad, he ends up just getting pissed off and killing everyone but Jadis.
Rick and Michonne come upon her soon after, getting trapped in the junkyard with the dead junkyard people, and she's so shaken she doesn't even talk dumb anymore. She asks for their help getting out, but Rick refuses. I mean, I get she keeps betraying them, but this is different. Like he tries to justify it later all, "I saw her get away, she's fine!" to Michonne, but as she says, this is what Carl's talking about, they have to be different.
Enid put it succinctly at Oceanside- yes, she killed the old lady to save Aaron, and she'd do it again in a heartbeat. Granny forced her hand, but she couldn't let her just kill Aaron. So she tells them, just let them go. They can execute her and Aaron, but not only do they have to live with just having killed a person, what does it accomplish in the end? Her people come looking for her and Aaron, maybe the Oceansiders kill them too, but eventually, they'll get wiped out.
(As an aside, this is what I was talking about an "out", are they going to try and make Negan seem not so bad by laying some of these heinous acts at someone like Simon's feet? All Negan said to do this, and his lieutenants went too far unbeknown to him! Like will we find out it was Simon's decision to kill all the men, not Negan?)
So they're freed, but Aaron stays behind, because he thinks he convince the ones who want to fight, to fight. So Enid's going back to the hilltop. Man, she doesn't even know Carl's dead!
Anyways, yeah, back to Rick and Michonne. After she's all, this isn't what Carl wants, Rick reads the letter Carl wrote to Negan. And in them, he's asking both his father and Negan to stop. So Rick calls Negan to tell him Carl is dead. And for what its worth, Negan does feel bad. Indeed, earlier he was saying Carl was the future. At first he's worried he got killed in the attack, but Rick says it was just a random biting, so Negan tells Rick its his fault, because of their little war, Rick wasn't around to stop his son from doing something stupid.
But yeah, Rick is all, "My son says we should make peace, but fuck that, I'm going to kill you!" Which even Negan is appalled at. I mean, I'm definitely not pro-Negan, he goes to far, and I don't believe being brutal to keep everyone in line to keep them safe is the best strategy. But fighting fire with fire is not the way to end things. Like you could say, Negan is scum, it will all end when we just kill him and the other bad guys.
But like Enid was saying earlier, where does it end? Who's complicit? You execute these guys who did this, what about their loved ones who are all, "they had no choice!" or "they were bad, but not Negan-bad!" and want their justice!
And yes, things were brutal under Negan's regime, but some of those people in the Savior's compound were prolly just normal people trying to live, and while they were bullied and brutalized by Negan's rule, the alliance have been pretty ruthless in their attacks. Now, from our perspective, the alliance is trying to help their people, and I'm sure want to "save" the non-jerk people amongst the Saviors. But to them, especially the non-soldiers, the alliance can be pretty scary. I mean, locking them in, surrounded by zombies, sniping anyone who sticks their head out? Then thanks to stupid Daryl and Tara, blowing open a hole in their compound and letting the hordes in?
Rick and company are ostensibly the good guys, but remember, they don't always seem like that. Not to the Saviors, not even to Oceanside really. And I'm sure to Jadis, Rick's a hypocrite now!
